Actually I thought we had such genetics in WQ 2.7 already. In my game a black female and a grayish male had three black puppies and a gray one, which is quite realistic as black is a dominant gene and it has bigger chances to be expressed.

Sort of.roguemoon wrote:Is there a similar gene to the K-locus for determining brown coats as well?
Invar wrote: Sort of.
Your coat-colour paint-box has two paints only -- Eumelanin, which is dark brown/black, and pheomelanin, which is red. At A-locus, the genetic code says how to distribute these colours in the coat. Normally it says to do 'agouti' (which is why it's called the 'A' locus) where each hair is banded and shaded with both colours. At a hypothetical and as far as I know yet-to-be-located-on-the-DNA I-locus, (I for 'intensity') it determines how much red -- not much red and your wild-type agouti wolf coat will be 'grey,' more red and the wolf looks brown.
I don't think wolf populations have the bb "Chocolate/Liver" mutation, but I've seen some photos of a wild coyote that had it. I bet wolves do have ee and whatever it is at mysterious I-locus or whatever, as white 'primitive' type dogs are ee. I don't think wolves have the D-locus mutations that make the even grey colour they call 'blue' in dogs either.
In theory, I think you're probably right about higher COI in those homozygous individuals Invar.Invar wrote:That's really interesting stuff, Beez.
I wonder how heterozygous KK wolves are for other stuff. If dominant-black at K is a mutation that occurred in domestic dogs and was passed to wolves (seems pretty well proven that it is) and this happened only a couple of times (hmmmm...) then a KK wolf probably has a much higher coefficient of inbreeding than another wolf.
We wants a bigger sample size. And an otherwise identical study except on coyotes.
Ah, I see. Since you posted this reply, I've been trying to find a statement or some data in the literature on the lethality (vs. just lower fitness) of homozygous KK in any canine, but no luck yet. To be clear though: I'm not trying to discredit your sources, as I'm certain they have more experience with this topic than me. I'm not a geneticist and I don't study it directly. I'm just trying to follow their logic pathloboLoco wrote: No, we decided that because that's what our geneticist advisor told us after he read all these papers, which matched some suggestions that Dan MacNulty gave us about the K locus and KK low survival rates. Re-reading all this stuff makes my head hurt so I just depend on what the experts tell me...
Well, since KB/KB wolves almost never succeed in reproducing, one might say they are effectively dead from a population-genetics perspective, which is probably where the advisors are coming from.DaniBeez wrote:I'm not a geneticist and I don't study it directly. I'm just trying to follow their logic path. At face value, the "KK=lethal" assumption just seemed like a convenient way to make the K locus work for the game.
Hey Star,Star_The_Wolf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:37 pmThis is great and all but...
Iv'e noticed that in the early access, many wolves are brown, (many of my mates have been brown coated) what genes do they have?
If your question about the game wolves' exact genetic profiles was directly to loboLoco, then I apologize in advance!loboLoco wrote:[...]We will generate a genetic profile for each wolf which includes the K locus for coat color as well as other genes for coat tint and stats.
[...]* If a wolf has two small k variants (e.g. kk), then it has a gray coat (which might be anything from white to dark gray or brown).
[...]For one thing, the genetic profile that we're creating for each wolf will have 5-10 genes for coat tint and for each of the stat-traits, each randomly set as 0, 1, or 2, then we'll add up all those to determine the final score for the trait. That's a crude approximation of the [real life wolf] genome, but probably sufficient for our purposes.
I'm going to assume you mean pictures of real life wolves. Some subspecies of grey wolf located in more arid climates than Yellowstone, like the Arabian wolf (Canis lupus arabs) and the Mexican wolf (Canis lupus baileyi), have a greater proportion of brown/tan colored hairs in their coats than say the Mackenzie Valley wolf (Canis lupus occidentalis). Try Googling pictures of those subspecies!Star_The_Wolf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:37 pmI've also looked up pictures and it's hard for me to find a brown wolf.